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This post is more of an introduction to Saturn in Spiritual Astrology, more to follow on Saturn specifically in Scorpio.

Recently, a reader submitted a comment asking me to elaborate on Saturn’s entrance into Pluto’s domain.  She mentioned that she had some planets in Scorpio, so she may have a bit more than mere curiosity riding on it.  However, in order to be specific in answering her question, I need to know more.  This is because Western Astrology is a complex subject, especially if it is practiced appropriately – keeping the language open ended (choice centered, frequency based) and staying away from fortune-telling-esque fatalistic predictions.  And when dealing with Saturn, unfortunately it is easy to revert to older Astrological-recipe-cookbooks and talk about the delays and restrictions which Saturn can impose.

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But does Saturn have to be the stern disciplinarian?  How much of the ancient, “Saturn is the edge of the solar system, therefore it guarantees a cold, distant, restrictive influence in the chart” attitude is still necessary today?

If you have read my previous posts in the Spiritual Astrology category, you will notice that I am actually a huge fan of Saturn.  Even Saturn in Scorpio, even conjunct some “difficult” planets, I love Saturn and the structure and responsibility it indicates.  Why is this?  Because Saturn, in addition to being associated with a dry, cold, distant, contracting energy, has to do with growth, maturity and taking responsibility.  It is the Buddhist’s planet (aside from Chiron, but there is a strong association between these two, which is a tale for another day.  Sorry I digress.).  That is, if you want to work on yourself spiritually, then you have to have many ducks in a row with regard to personal responsibility – we need to be fiscally responsible, we need to be practical in our outlook, we need to be emotionally responsible and we need to admit when we have made a mistake and act to clean up our inner and outer environs.  Let me unpack these statements.

In Buddhism, the theory is that no Divine Deity can save us.  The Buddha said that we must work at our own salvation.  We all possess Buddhanature, a pure seed of clear-light-mind.  But for the majority of people on this planet, this seed is grossly obscured by deeply ingrained patterns and umpteen bad habits.  Therefore we must work to get to know ourselves better and to take responsibility for cleaning up our inner psyche – resolving misunderstandings, dissolving misconceptions and coming into a comfortable, embodied alignment.  It is then that we have a chance to move forward on a spiritual path.  But if we have a mindset that constantly yearns for an easy solution (Jupiter or Leo or Aries), or if we believe exclusively in magical “it-will-all-work-out-in-the-end” solutions (is there a difference between these two?) (I’m talking to you Neptune and Pisces), then we might be groping around in the dark for a long time.  What I am trying to say is that we can change our karma, but it takes some effort.  And this effort is Saturn’s domain.

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[I am getting on my soapbox for this paragraph.]  When we seek an easy solution, a more Jovial or Neptunian resolution filled with ease and as little work as possible, then Saturn will reflect a challenge, a test or a limitation.  And then, quite unfortunately, Saturn gets that bad name.  We will say, “Yeah, I was doing so well, things were flowing and I was so happy; and then Saturn came along and slowed everything down, I got sick, and everything got to be so much harder.”  Really?  With a little disclaimer (see the end of this article below) I would argue that if this is your answer to Saturn’s call to responsibility, then you were procrastinating a bit much when things were easy, when your positive karma was manifesting, you were sitting back and soaking it all in, expecting that it would never cease.  But end it always does.  Impermanence is Saturn’s worst fear, and its greatest ally.  Everything changes.  So we should keep working on ourselves even when it disrupts our idyllic vacation from discomfort.  Then, during Saturn’s transits, we can be rewarded for self-reflection and the “it hurts so good” cathartic personal growth work.

Don’t get me wrong though.  Timing is everything.  If we work with divination tools like the I Ching, we swiftly notice that there are times when the tide is coming in and times when it is receding, times when we must slow our roll and times when it is ideal to exert a lot of effort.  There are times when we need to rest and recover.  And there are times when hard work is easier, necessary even, and when it pays great dividends.  And the payoff can be great.  But we have to know when the tide crests and when the receding water reveals previously unknown treasures.  This is where knowing the Transits and Progressions of Timing Astrology comes in handy.  Because many people worry about meeting ends, getting bills paid, which is necessary of course, but it would be best to save while we have abundance, so we are prepared (a Saturnian word) for tough times.

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Astrology is a complex subject.  To fully answer a question like, “I have several planets in Scorpio in my sixth and seventh houses, and here comes Saturn, what does this mean?”  One must know what frequency is the individual at?  Are they the type of person who respects the wisdom of taking responsibility for their lives?  Or are they the type who frets about Saturn and chooses to curl up in a ball, waiting out the storm?  (Which might be smart at times!)  What do they do when they encounter stagnation?  Because the results of spiritual practice are only revealed when we encounter difficult situations.

Then, knowing the frequency of the individual (do they have a meditation practice?  Do they have a living lineage of healing wisdom that they connect with on a daily or weekly basis?  Do they receive bodywork / energy work?  What are their goals and objectives in this lifetime?  Are they more stubborn or more open in general?), we can start to apply Spiritual Astrology to meet them where they are.  But even knowing someone’s frequency, we still need to know the rest of their chart.  Because Saturn’s entrance into Scorpio will be much different for someone with a Sun or Moon or Rising Sign in Scorpio than for someone with more outer planets in Pluto’s domain.

Either way though, having multiple planets in Scorpio, it would probably be good to continue reading future posts on this subject.  Because Scorpio is the most powerful of all the signs (Leo and Aquarius might disagree, but ultimately, Scorpio is Pluto’s domain, and the god of the Underworld has sway over the lowest venomous energies and the highest wisdom of healing in its Minerva aspect), it is good to generate understanding about the subconscious world.  It is good to know what Scorpio is about and it is good to know about Saturn.  Then we can be prepared for whatever karma we may have unfolding, positive or challenging.

Therefore I will just touch the surface of this subject, because we are all approaching astrology where we are, and I cannot write a single article which will deeply touch many numerous individuals’ subjective experiences.  But I will brush the surface of Saturn’s entrance into Scorpio pertaining to the houses of the horoscope.

Look for this in an upcoming post soon.  Thank you for reading.

As for that disclaimer from above, occasionally, Saturn’s influence in a chart will indicate karma which we do not have a choice about.  If this is the case, and I will provide examples here in a second, then my statement above does not hold water.  For instance, if Saturn is doing some funky aspects in the Natal chart with Mercury, Jupiter and / or Uranus (3rd or 12th houses) and it has manifested in a learning disability, then you have to work with what you have.  Do not push where pushing will cause obvious harm!  We must know ourselves and work within our limits (which is also Saturnian wisdom).

Similarly if we are born with highly functional Down’s Syndrome, there will be different talents and abilities from someone else.  So start where you are and only challenge yourself appropriately.  Do not take my words as gospel, rather see if they work for you.  If not, then please discard them  🙂

[Updated Nov 2017: I would highly recommend reading the book “Gut and Psychology Syndrome” a book by a British doctor and nutrition expert who looks at all the manifestations that an unhealthy bio-flora can cause, including ADD, ADHD, schizophrenia, depression and other mental health issues plus an unhealthy gut can lead to serious auto-immune problems! Wild stuff – and it can all possible change just by changing our diets!]

Thanks for reading,

km

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Please recall, that as I delve into the deeper health aspects, I cannot stress enough, that this information is purely for educational or entertainment purposes and that all individuals should consult with a licensed medical practitioner before making any changes to their diet, lifestyle or medicine intake. The author does not claim to treat, cure, diagnose or prevent any disease or illness.

Are you still with me? Excellent! If you are starting here, then I would suggest going back to the post entitled, “Medical Astrology 2011,” and read up from there. This is the fifth post in this series so go back and get context to grok this stuff!

I’m going to skip the review portion of this post, to allow for more fresh material, so I hope you are ready for a deeper plunge. Here we have Saturn in the 2nd house and Mars in the 8th, which as I mentioned previously can be associated with Taurus and Scorpio respectively.

So what does Saturn in Taurus bring us? See the previous post to see how the 2nd house and Taurus are correlated and that is how we got from Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd house to looking at Saturn in Taurus. And what does this mean from a health perspective? We need to keep in mind that there are subtle differences between interpreting Saturn in the 2nd and Saturn in Taurus, but again, for the sake of brevity, we are just diving into Saturn in Taurus from the health perspective: this can bring extra congestion in the throat (sore throats which I believe actually derive from a congested colon – there is a reciprocal relationship between opposite signs and here Taurus, throat, reflects Scorpio and its association with the colon), other throat or voice issues and hypothyroidism. So just to be clear, I believe that if we suffer from sore throats, it is a good idea to check the colon – are we constipated? Have we ingested many congestion-producing foods? Are we expressing ourselves or are we emotionally constipated? Etc.

Alright, and now for Mars in Scorpio. And again, just to be clear, this is the over-simplified version of Mars in the 8th house. In actuality, there are differences between Mars in the 8th and Mars in Scorpio, but for brevity’s sake, we are sticking with this: Mars in Scorpio can indicate any issues (inflammation, overexertion, or dysfunction) of any of the reproductive organs and glands, both male and female, it can indicate colon problems, it might represent a weakness for venereal diseases, it can indicate in rare cases hernias, and sometimes Scorpio issues can reflect (see the Taurus paragraph above) in issues involving the throat. So this is basically most of Scorpio’s areas of rulership being over-worked (Mars), taxed, stressed or of being in a weakened state due to other psycho-spiritual causes.

So pretty soon we are going to be able to put all this information together from the past five posts. We have touched on the personality dynamics, psycho-spiritual, and emotional correlates of Mars in Pisces in the 8th house opposite Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd, and we have begun to look into the physical manifestation of these energies. So in future posts, be on the lookout for how we bring all this information together.

And because I have a little more space in this post, I will touch on measuring the precision of Medical Astrology. This may involve me getting on my soapbox as I have some strong opinions about this subject. As I mentioned in the first post in this series, Medical Astrology can easily be faulted for being inaccurate (yet another reason not to go out and read Astrological-recipe books!!! Because you might be scared away from true exploration and learning). As we can see from this one aspect between Mars and Saturn, there are hundreds of possible results or combinations of physical manifestation of these energies. And to be more precise in my languaging – we should actually say that the Astrology Chart reflects the actual situation and not the other way around. Astrology does not cause anything! You cannot say, “Oh I have Saturn opposite Mars, so that causes blank.” Not good! Rather, I have blank happening in my body for any number of actual, empirically-provable reasons, and the Astrology Chart reflects that situation. Back to the opening topic, Medical Astrology can become more precise when we look at the whole Natal Chart. And then, when we bring in information from the client’s inherited health history, or environmental factors, and of course we gain even more information from the Timing Astrology.

If we see certain possible predispositions in someone’s Natal Chart, then when certain Transits or Progressions occur, we will have a sense of what might be manifesting in that person’s body. For instance, if someone does NOT have any predispositions for lung problems in their Natal Chart, and they take pretty good care of themselves, then, even if a challenging possible-lung-problem-representing Transit comes along, there will not be a lung issue. Does that make sense? What I am trying to say is that the body and its health is an incredibly complicated subject. So to try to narrow it down to saying, “Oh, you eat beets, so that means you will have eye problems,” is simply absurd. Just like trying to narrow Medical Astrology down to one or two aspects and then say how inaccurate a modality it is, similarly is absurd. Before we can truly judge the efficacy of something, we must be authentically open-minded to the possibility of it working. So give Medical Astrology a chance, and please, use its information to supplement what your licensed medical professionals tell you (yes, go see your doctor if you need to!).

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

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We have been looking at Medical Astrology of late, and in particular I want to continue a theme that I have been touching on. That is the example of a single aspect – Saturn opposite Mars. Who knew that you could get so much information from one little aspect? Heh. Well let me tell you! Actually this particular aspect is very rich and juicy – any aspect involving the 2nd and / or 8th house will reveal a lot of material. And with that said, if you investigate deep enough, any aspect in the chart, in any house can reveal a treasure trove of information. But we are going to stick with Saturn and Mars for today.

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To review, we have discussed, at least in brief, the planets Saturn and Mars and what they can signify. We have touched on the signs they are tenanting (Virgo and Pisces respectively), and we briefly brushed on the houses involved – the 2nd and 8th in this case. So what you might ask is left? I would refer you, if you have seen the Star Wars movies, to the scene in episode VI I think where Luke Skywalker says, “So I am a Jedi…” And Yoda makes a very surprised noise – “OOEEwwwhhoohhhh!!!” Actually I would ask in retort, “what have we actually covered so far?!” Very little to be precise. We have just brushed the surface actually, so lets look a little deeper now. Let’s get into the health correlations of this aspect.

Oh, and for one related tangent, Mars in the 8th house CAN (but not always) indicate that the individual will have a premature death. Now before anyone freaks out, let me explain. Traditionally, the 8th house was associated with death. When 8th house energies are not confronted and remain fermenting under the surface as it were, then I happen to agree with this traditional dark fatalistic assessment. But when we do our psychological work, perhaps seeing a professional body-worker on a regular basis or receiving regular acupuncture, counseling or if we practice other forms of quality self-care, and we get clearer about our neuroses and our psychological predispositions, then we move beyond “being ruled by our stars” as it were and we move toward the greater understanding and wisdom which is represented by the 9th house. So, if we have Mars in the 8th house in our natal charts, there is very little reason to worry, provided we take responsibility for our incarnation and determine to make appropriate changes. For those of us out there who are still feeling like victims… Then some reflection would be in order.

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If the 8th house Mars makes a hard aspect to Pluto, Saturn or Uranus, then we may want to investigate further, especially if it is a close aspect. Then sudden, unexpected (Uranus) death becomes possible, or a violent (Pluto) death becomes slightly more of a reality or poor health conditions is more of a reality (Saturn). But in all of these cases, you must look at many factors: how strong are these planets (according to their sign and house placement), how close is the orb involved, are these the planetary rulers of the chart (ruling the Ascendant sign) or the Sun ruler? Which houses do these planets rule? And we must look at positive aspects which would offset the risks indicated by these hard aspects. So do not let one little prediction or aspect get you worked up – if you are reading this post, it means you are on the path toward self-understanding and you care enough to investigate your situation. Next, you may care enough to make the requisite changes which will soften the implied difficulty in the aspect.

With that long-winded explanation of Mars in the 8th, in Medical Astrology, what do Mars and Saturn represent?
And as I get into the Health side of astrological analysis, please remember that we cannot separate these things. I have found that often times, the psycho-emotional issues associated with an aspect contribute or at least go hand-in-hand with the physical manifestations of these aspects. What do I mean by this? Well I believe that before we have physical manifestation of dis-ease, long before really, there is often times an imbalanced emotional issue or psychological misunderstanding. For instance, if we repress our rage about an early trauma for too long, then eventually that rage will need an appropriate avenue of expression. If we do not provide it with one, if we have some masochistic tendencies, then I guarantee that there will be some health problems as a result. In Visceral Manipulation (bodywork), we learn that certain organs can get loaded up with emotional charge, and without an appropriate healthy way to unload that organ, it will spill over and discharge in bizarre ways – think unexplained rashes, inflammation or idiopathic diseases (unexplained).

And another note – we are not ruled by our stars. Rather, the astrology chart is a reflection of our gross karmas (mental, psychological, physical, emotional, etc) and the chart reflects the physical elements that make up our body, hence we get so much information from the time one takes their first breath, a.k.a. the natal horoscope (birth chart).

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With that said, in Medical Astrology, Mars is associated with the production of blood, blood in general and iron (red like the fiery God of War), the metabolism and physical energy, aspects of temperature regulation as you will see below (Mars challenges can indicate disease which result in fevers or chills), the left ear, the kidneys (see below for more), veins (although some would argue Venus has influence here as well) and along with Pluto, Mars shares rulership over the genitals and sex glands. Mars in the body is the fighter, and as a result I suspect it has something to do with both the red and white bloods cells as the white blood cells help to fight off infections and viruses. And these are just the basics! When we delve deeper, I wonder if Mars has some association with the spleen. And I believe it also “rules” the forehead and is associated with headaches in general (along with Aries).

Saturn, in Medical Astrology, is associated with the bones and in particular the knees and the teeth, the skin (along with the Moon and sometimes Venus), it is also associated with the kidneys (see below), the spleen, bladder, phlegm, and the gall bladder. Saturn also is associated with the anterior lobe of the pituitary gland, helping to regulate sex hormones, bone and muscle growth. Saturn (think structure) is associated with the skeleton and bony structures in general. Again though, these are the basics of Saturn’s associations in Medical Astrology, so we are seeing how complex this subject can get. Because of Saturn’s association with Calcium, I would venture a guess that the parathyroid glands also come under Saturn’s rulership.

In addition, when we speak of both Mars and Saturn in hard aspect to one another, a competent astrologer should quickly notice that both of these planets are associated with the kidneys. And here is why: both are correlated with the adrenal glands. According to the late Isabel Hickey, she states with regard to the adrenal glands:

“the medulla hormone produces a secretion that can cause fear or flight [or sympathetic freeze]. This part of the adrenal gland is ruled by Saturn [and its hormones are the catecholamines – epinephrine, norepinephrine and dopamine]. The shell or cortex secretes another hormone giving pugnaciousness and combativeness [(Mars – it produces testosterone among other hormones)]. These are glands more directly connected to the impulse of self-preservation and the animal nature.” She goes on to state that the antidote to an afflicted Mars is lunar maternal nurturing and the antidote to an afflicted Saturn is the Venusian loving-kindness and generosity. (fromAstrology, A Cosmic Science, 1992)

With this connection of both planets to the kidneys, or in particular to the adrenal glands (which sit right on top of the kidneys), we see that Mars in hard aspect to Saturn almost always produces the possibilities of kidney issues. What are these? Headaches and lower lumbar back aches and pains (behind the kidneys) to start. And there might be a predisposition to other kidney issues as well.

So far, in this particular post, we have looked further at Mars in the 8th house, and we have begun to pick apart what Saturn and Mars mean in terms of physical health issues or associations. In the next post I will get into the medical astrology around the houses and signs involved.

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

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So to continue the example from the previous post, (see Medical Astrology 2011) where we started looking at one aspect (which in an astrology chart would be one aspect of many) involving Saturn opposite Mars. So far we had touched on what Saturn means in a pithy nutshell, along with Mars. And then what it means for Saturn to be opposite Mars in the chart, at least from a brief personality perspective. Then we touched on the signs involved – Saturn in Virgo and Mars in Pisces. Now lets go a little further and see what the houses mean, along with touching on the actual Medical Astrology perspective of this particular aspect.

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By the way, for practitioners out there, if you see a close aspect involving Saturn (or Mars) it is generally a good idea to pay close attention to it. And for individuals out there who have a close Saturn aspect (nearly all of us have Saturn aspecting something in our charts), have no worries because there are remedies or recommendations to overcome each and every challenge in life. I’m not saying I have all the answers, but I certainly know who to refer people to for certain circumstances. Now, on with this example.

So Saturn opposite Mars, when the orb is close, and especially when Saturn is in a stronger position than Mars (generally according to the Zodiac signs involved), we know right off the bat that the individual’s energy levels might be lower than average. We saw that Saturn (contraction, hard work) puts a damper on, and restrains or limits just about any planet it touches, including Mars (energy, drive). Then we saw how Saturn in Virgo can indicate a serious, hard-working, organized individual and we noticed that Mars in Pisces is not strong – in fact, Mars in Pisces individuals often make great musicians, artists and actors (Pisces) but not the best athletes or ambitious competitors (executives) per se, although chart position would certainly provide an exception to that rule. What else can we infer from this particular configuration?

What do the houses mean (Saturn in the 2nd and Mars in the 8th)? Well here we get into a conundrum. It just so happens that, in my opinion, the 2nd and 8th houses are two of the most complex houses of all. The 2nd house has to do with deeper values, peace of mind, personal financial stability, the instinct to survive (which involves procreation) and the underlying foundation of these qualities. Depending on the individual’s consciousness, to begin with (at birth) Saturn in the 2nd house often indicates a self-oriented “me” and “mine” attitude, meaning Saturn in the house of values has to do with purifying a greedy or self-oriented attitude.

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Keep in mind that other aspects (namely Neptune’s) can radically change this interpretation. So we must be cognizant of the complexity involved with interpreting the chart. However, Saturn in the 2nd will generally indicate a careful investor of time, energy and money – someone who takes time to study and analyze the market, or who sticks with reliable sources like real estate, CDs or bonds. And because the 2nd house is all about establishing a stable foundation for ourselves, this placing of Saturn indicates that this individual will need to put forth time and effort into establishing her or his nest egg, or real estate (home owner), or income stream. But because it is Saturn talking, this idea of doing the work her / himself might not be easy. We must look at the positions of the Sun, Moon and Moon’s nodes to know more about a deeper drive of the person – Saturn tells us a lot, but not all.

Wherever Saturn is located, from an esoteric standpoint, is where we are tested. So here, Saturn represents a re-organization of one’s deeper values and peace of mind, here the individual is learning to share their resources (provided other parts of the chart agree with this). First and foremost though with the 2nd (earthy) house, is the necessity to establish themselves in the material world. People with strong 2nd house influences (or Taurus for that matter) must establish a strong, secure, safe foundation from which to work, and then their lives improve. This is the case here too with Saturn in the 2nd. And back to the keyword “service,” which is often reserved for the 6th / 12th houses, so after this individual establishes themselves in the material realm, then we can see if the individual is of service to their community, and if so, they will have more peace of mind. By SHARING (2nd house) their resources (time, energy, money) with others out of an authentic altruistic attitude, they will have a more secure and solid (2nd house) peace of mind (2nd as well). And actually, in this particular configuration with Mars in Pisces, there is an added dimension or need to be of service, so in this case, it is even more important.

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Then we have the 8th house. Traditionally the 8th house is not looked at favorably – however I want to provide a strong disclaimer to this, as I personally have a full and busy 8th house, and I have been working with these energies all my life. The 8th house represents that which we must regenerate and heal. It represents old, scary wounds and often times, these wounds are deep or unconscious, usually psycho-spiritual in nature. Therefore, we MUST know the consciousness of the individual before we start to interpret 8th house issues. This is because the energies can be distorted and repressed if the individual is lacking awareness and resists doing their personal growth work, OR these energies can indicate strong healing abilities and intense awareness of their own, and therefore others’ psychological processes. Or there is a combination of the two.

What we know about Mars in the 8th house (from birth) is that the individual is most likely purifying sexual energy because they will have a lot of it (Mars in the 8th), there might be an interest in psychic or occult subjects (8th) and there might be strife around the partners or shared finances (Mars). Again though, we MUST compare this information with other areas of the chart to see if it corroborates or weakens these tendencies. So Mars in the 8th can be a blessing or a burden, depending on our frequency – do we have a solid, authentic spiritual practice or are we still pursuing that idyllic heiress (for her money)? Do we seek to correct our personal beliefs that are out of alignment? Are we content to suffer and say, “why me??”

Huh!?! Are you keeping up? As one will notice, interpreting the astrology chart, at least in a clear and understandable manner is a hefty task! In my next post, I will get into how Saturn and Mars are approached from a Medical (Health) Astrology perspective.

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

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This is a post intending to inform readers about medical astrology. This is for educational purposes only, by all means, go see a licensed medical practitioner if you have questions or concerns about your health.

Did you know, there was a time when doctors in the United States would tell you that to practice medicine without looking at the patient’s astrology chart was akin to doing malpractice? Well, believe it or not, it is true. Nowadays, disappointingly, I speculate that there are merely a small percentage of doctors who value the information that one can glean from an accurate natal horoscope (birth chart).

Due to my interest in and practice of Craniosacral Therapy, I have been interested in Medical Astrology for seven years. So when I started studying Western Astrology, whenever I came across a juicy tidbit about Medical Astrology I would always read it with joy and vigor. And I would often go back and look at charts of clients and family members to see if what it professed was true, and sure enough, it was usually right on.

What is Medical Astrology?
Medical Astrology is a branch of traditional Astrology. Just as various planets (energies) and houses (areas of life) of the birth chart correlate with different emotions, personality dynamics and different facets of life, so too do they correlate with different parts of the body and with differing systems in the body. For instance, Aries is associated with the head. Taurus is associated with the tongue and the throat (and the thyroid). Gemini, the sign of the twins, is associated with the shoulders, arms, lungs and oftentimes hands. And these associations with the body go on and on, covering all the signs of the zodiac, as well as the planets, and the houses of the chart.

What are the benefits of Medical Astrology?
A quality psychologist can give therapy for a number of psychological disorders right? We all know this to be true – authentic scientific research has proven this to be the case. But can a good psychologist determine WHEN those psychological disorders will come about? Probably not. And certainly not with their traditional training. Well this is one benefit of astrology. When an accurate chart is in the hands of a competent astrologer, then it is obvious that certain energies ebb and flow, expand and contract at differing times. And those times can be seen through the Transits and Progressions (of Timing Astrology). In fact, a competent astrologer can look at a Natal Horoscope and see the various possibilities which that individual has for their incarnation on many different levels, including physical manifestations.

Medical Astrology is not perfect. The critics of Astrology in general, and Medical Astrology in particular certainly have an argument when they say that Medical Astrology is not a precise science. Well this is true and I will be the first to say it! However, imagine that the body has, just to name an arbitrary number, 5,000 systems, organs and individual parts. That is a lot, right? What if Medical Astrology can help someone narrow down where an illness might appear from 5,000 to 20? And then, if we look at the client’s inherited health predispositions, that number might drop down to 5. So we have narrowed down the potential weak areas of the body from 5,000 to 5. Is that not a huge step in the right direction? And then, if we look at aspects which are stacking up in their chart, then we can be more precise. To continue the example from above, if we see Saturn issues, plus Venus issues, plus a hard aspect to the Moon, what area of the body do all of these planets share in common? The skin! So we could very easily predict that there would at the very least be skin sensitivities during a certain time period.

How does one get started studying Medical Astrology?
Honestly, the best astrology books are more on the comprehensive side. Here is an example: when we look at an astrology chart, all we see are strange glyphs (planetary symbols), 12 sections a.k.a. astrological houses, and colorful symbols which represent the signs of the zodiac. Of course most people will recognize the crescent shaped Moon, or the female symbol of Venus and the male symbol of Mars. But beyond that, an astrology chart is VERY complicated, or it just looks like a flat piece of paper.

How does that flat chart translate to so much information about an individual? Two things – first we need to spend time studying and practicing astrology with a competent teacher to see how the same aspect will have various manifestations across different people. If we start out by reading books that say, “Pluto trine Saturn will lead to blah blah blah.” Then if we go around stating, as equivocally as we can muster, “Oh you have Pluto trine Saturn, that means you will experience blah blah blah!” Then we need to spend time weeding out the astrological-cook-book-recipes from our belief systems. We need to spend time opening our hearts, that way we can approach everyone we see as a blank slate. For instance, because His Holiness the Dalai Lama is a Sun sign Cancer. Does that mean he will experience the same reality as most of the other Sun sign Cancer’s on the planet? Doubt it.

As to my example, take the following aspect, Saturn in Virgo opposite Mars in Pisces with Saturn residing in the 2nd house and Mars tenanting the 8th. How much information can we glean from this? Of course we must take other aspects of the chart into consideration, but here are some personality traits we can infer from this planetary aspect: Saturn, representing contraction, limitation, boundaries, caution and discipline, can put a damper on Mars (the opposition aspect) where Mars rules aggression, assertion, competition, and the initial drive to get what we desire. Mars is often known as the gas (think gas pedal in a car) and Saturn is known as the brakes – this combination of gas plus brakes is rarely ever easy to deal with. This much we know simply from the planets involved.

But how do the signs come into play? How do those houses affect this particular aspect? And how close is this aspect – is the orb of opposition 2 degrees (very close) or is it 8 degrees (a wider orb). This information is important! This is why it is imperative to discuss your astrology chart with someone competent. Unless we are looking to be entertained, why would we seriously consider the words of an amateur green practitioner, who might not be aware of their personal neuroses, let alone ours???

Back to my example, what else can we infer from that aspect, with those positions involved? Saturn in Virgo (an Earth sign) often means a strong Saturn, indicating a serious, detail-oriented, efficiently-working, clear and mentally-organized individual. This is a person who needs to cultivate a sense of humor and lightening up. And then this info must be blended with Mars in Pisces – Mars, a fiery, fierce energy to start with is heavily watered down and weakened by being in Pisces (while this is true traditionally, chart position and other aspects might change this fact). Pisces is a laid back, mystical, patient, emotional energy – and Mars is not really comfortable in any of these arenas. Therefore, Mars in Pisces drowns out the typical drive for power and ambition, it dampens the typical Martian energy, possibly indicating a lowered constitution and possibly a slower metabolism (again though, look to the rest of the chart to confirm or deny these traits). Mars gets confused easily in Pisces, indicating a restless type of individual, and Pisces sensitizes whatever it contacts, so drugs and alcohol are dangerous for individuals with this placing. So far, we have only touched the surface on Mars being opposite Saturn.

In the following post, I will go more in depth on this particular aspect.

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

*This material is purely for educational purposes only. The author of this post does not claim to diagnose, cure, treat or prevent any disease and if you believe you have a medical problem, you should speak with a licensed medical practitioner as soon as possible.

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