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Please recall, that as I delve into the deeper health aspects, I cannot stress enough, that this information is purely for educational or entertainment purposes and that all individuals should consult with a licensed medical practitioner before making any changes to their diet, lifestyle or medicine intake. The author does not claim to treat, cure, diagnose or prevent any disease or illness.

Are you still with me? Excellent! If you are starting here, then I would suggest going back to the post entitled, “Medical Astrology 2011,” and read up from there. This is the fifth post in this series so go back and get context to grok this stuff!

I’m going to skip the review portion of this post, to allow for more fresh material, so I hope you are ready for a deeper plunge. Here we have Saturn in the 2nd house and Mars in the 8th, which as I mentioned previously can be associated with Taurus and Scorpio respectively.

So what does Saturn in Taurus bring us? See the previous post to see how the 2nd house and Taurus are correlated and that is how we got from Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd house to looking at Saturn in Taurus. And what does this mean from a health perspective? We need to keep in mind that there are subtle differences between interpreting Saturn in the 2nd and Saturn in Taurus, but again, for the sake of brevity, we are just diving into Saturn in Taurus from the health perspective: this can bring extra congestion in the throat (sore throats which I believe actually derive from a congested colon – there is a reciprocal relationship between opposite signs and here Taurus, throat, reflects Scorpio and its association with the colon), other throat or voice issues and hypothyroidism. So just to be clear, I believe that if we suffer from sore throats, it is a good idea to check the colon – are we constipated? Have we ingested many congestion-producing foods? Are we expressing ourselves or are we emotionally constipated? Etc.

Alright, and now for Mars in Scorpio. And again, just to be clear, this is the over-simplified version of Mars in the 8th house. In actuality, there are differences between Mars in the 8th and Mars in Scorpio, but for brevity’s sake, we are sticking with this: Mars in Scorpio can indicate any issues (inflammation, overexertion, or dysfunction) of any of the reproductive organs and glands, both male and female, it can indicate colon problems, it might represent a weakness for venereal diseases, it can indicate in rare cases hernias, and sometimes Scorpio issues can reflect (see the Taurus paragraph above) in issues involving the throat. So this is basically most of Scorpio’s areas of rulership being over-worked (Mars), taxed, stressed or of being in a weakened state due to other psycho-spiritual causes.

So pretty soon we are going to be able to put all this information together from the past five posts. We have touched on the personality dynamics, psycho-spiritual, and emotional correlates of Mars in Pisces in the 8th house opposite Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd, and we have begun to look into the physical manifestation of these energies. So in future posts, be on the lookout for how we bring all this information together.

And because I have a little more space in this post, I will touch on measuring the precision of Medical Astrology. This may involve me getting on my soapbox as I have some strong opinions about this subject. As I mentioned in the first post in this series, Medical Astrology can easily be faulted for being inaccurate (yet another reason not to go out and read Astrological-recipe books!!! Because you might be scared away from true exploration and learning). As we can see from this one aspect between Mars and Saturn, there are hundreds of possible results or combinations of physical manifestation of these energies. And to be more precise in my languaging – we should actually say that the Astrology Chart reflects the actual situation and not the other way around. Astrology does not cause anything! You cannot say, “Oh I have Saturn opposite Mars, so that causes blank.” Not good! Rather, I have blank happening in my body for any number of actual, empirically-provable reasons, and the Astrology Chart reflects that situation. Back to the opening topic, Medical Astrology can become more precise when we look at the whole Natal Chart. And then, when we bring in information from the client’s inherited health history, or environmental factors, and of course we gain even more information from the Timing Astrology.

If we see certain possible predispositions in someone’s Natal Chart, then when certain Transits or Progressions occur, we will have a sense of what might be manifesting in that person’s body. For instance, if someone does NOT have any predispositions for lung problems in their Natal Chart, and they take pretty good care of themselves, then, even if a challenging possible-lung-problem-representing Transit comes along, there will not be a lung issue. Does that make sense? What I am trying to say is that the body and its health is an incredibly complicated subject. So to try to narrow it down to saying, “Oh, you eat beets, so that means you will have eye problems,” is simply absurd. Just like trying to narrow Medical Astrology down to one or two aspects and then say how inaccurate a modality it is, similarly is absurd. Before we can truly judge the efficacy of something, we must be authentically open-minded to the possibility of it working. So give Medical Astrology a chance, and please, use its information to supplement what your licensed medical professionals tell you (yes, go see your doctor if you need to!).

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

*This material is purely for educational purposes only. The author of this post does not claim to diagnose, cure, treat or prevent any disease and if you believe you have a medical problem, you should speak with a licensed medical practitioner as soon as possible.

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Wow! So if you have read this far, there is a lot to take in. So good luck! 🙂 And if you are starting here, then I would suggest going back to the post entitled, “Medical Astrology 2011,” and read up from there. This is the fourth post in this series so you need some of the previous information as context to understand this post.

Up to this point we have covered, at least briefly, the aspect of Mars in opposition to Saturn: both in the personality and in physical manifestation, we have looked at Saturn in the 2nd house and Mars in the 8th, and we have looked at Saturn in Virgo and Mars in Pisces from a personality (more overview) perspective. Now let us bring the Medical Astrology perspective into play regarding the 2nd, 8th houses and Virgo / Pisces.

When we talk astrological houses, especially from a Medical perspective, basically we can correlate the houses with their respective signs (12 houses – 12 signs of the zodiac). At the 1st house we start with Aries, 2nd house is Taurus, etc around to Scorpio in the 8th house and ending with the 12th house and Pisces. This is going to keep things simpler for this example. We could go further in depth, but I’d rather speak about this in person to ensure comprehension. So when we talk about Saturn being in Virgo in the 2nd house, we can also add the influence of Taurus (2nd house) into the mix. Then when we look at Mars in the 8th house in Pisces, we actually add a Scorpio (8th house) twist to the interpretation.

Basically we have Saturn in Virgo with a touch of Saturn in Taurus flavoring things, and Mars in Pisces with a bit of Mars in Scorpio. This is another way to look at the above configuration. What does Saturn in Virgo mean from a medical perspective?
Virgo is connected with the intestines, the lower digestion in general (Virgo has to do with analyzing, assimilation and excretion both on a psychological level and physically), Virgo is partially associated with the pancreas and the processing of sugar (see below), the solar plexus and the nervous system (Mercury’s influence shows up here).

So what does the planet of contraction and limitation (Saturn) manifest in these areas? These are simply possibilities – I doubt anyone would experience all of these symptoms / issues in the same lifetime. Constipation when stressed or worried, alternating with possible loose stools – too much analysis / assimilation vs. too much excretion. Saturn in Virgo can also indicate issues with processing sugar (hypoglycemia or pre-diabetic conditions), it might indicate gall stone problems when heavily transited, and with Virgo being more of a dry, analytical sign, Saturn here can indicate eventual arthritis as someone’s emotional body literally crystallizes due to lack of fluidity and use. Too much guilt and / or shame, especially if we are raised in a strictly religious setting, can eventually go into the body and manifest in various ways. (Virgo in my experience tends to be the strongest sign for sacrificing for others in a physical, material manner – see masochism.) Another possible manifestation of Saturn in Virgo, being transited by a challenging aspect is injuries to the solar plexus muscles. At best, Saturn in Virgo can indicate an obsession with mentally chewing on difficult problems (Virgo is the problem solver remember), which can lead to worry and excess nervous energy. This is one reason people with a plethora of Virgo (Mercury energy) in their charts might benefit from crafts involving the hands and minute details / patterns like knitting, sewing, crochet or weaving.

Keep in mind that the solar plexus are the front of the body, and what is behind them? The kidneys and lower back. Therefore, in rare cases Saturn afflictions in the (front of the body) Virgo areas can reflect and show up in lower back issues. And in extremely rare cases, Saturn challenged in Virgo (by other natal aspects) can indicate some issues with the tubes of the kidneys themselves.

Both Virgo and Pisces are the sensitive signs of the zodiac, so this (Saturn / Mars in these signs) will indicate an additional sensitivity to any type of drugs including prescription, over-the-counter and recreational, and alcohol. This is pretty much guaranteed. Now what determines how that sensitivity plays out is the person’s consciousness again. I know I keep harping back to that, but it is vital when interpreting a chart to determine where someone is on many different levels. And actually, if someone has a lot of Virgo, Pisces, 6th or 12th house planets / energy in their chart, then they may also be extra sensitized to herbal medicine (subtle), flower essences and homeopathic remedies (very subtle). So be aware of that. And I would never advocate this myself, especially not before speaking with a licensed health practitioner, but some medical astrology books advocate Piscean / Virgo types to take half or less of the recommended dose of prescription drugs (especially pain medication, anti-biotics and sleep aids).

What does Mars in Pisces represent from a Medical perspective?
In addition to what I have already mentioned involving the sensitization of the individual with this placement, Mars in Pisces individuals may have less energy overall. I plan to elaborate on this further in another post, but their metabolism may be slowed down. Remember though that other Natal Chart influences can counter this (a lot of planets / the Ascendant in fiery signs, Mars being conjunct the Midheaven, etc). With this in mind, heavy exercise is usually not best for these types, rather swimming, dance or something creative / rhythmical would be ideal. With this placing, the individual needs to learn to discipline themselves with regard to their energy regulation. Otherwise Mars in Pisces can be slightly lethargic and / or appear lazy to others. A little bit of daily movement and exercise is required to avoid this, especially if there are very few planets in fire signs or making positive aspects to Mars. Pisces has always been associated with the feet (Pisces – understanding) so Mars here could indicate injuries to the feet or foot problems. If nothing else, a need to keep the feet warm and clean as there might be a predisposition toward infection, fungus, plantar warts, etc. Finally this placing may indicate an allergy to shellfish (Neptune’s influence with Pisces).

This post is getting a bit long, so I will not mention much about Pisces is associated with thalamus and the pineal gland, so in extremely rare cases, an afflicted Mars in Pisces can indicate issues with either of these cerebral structures. In the following post I will continue this thread by looking at the Medical Astrology ramifications of Saturn in the 2nd house (Taurus assoc.) and Mars in the 8th house (Scorpio assoc.).

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

*This material is purely for educational purposes only. The author of this post does not claim to diagnose, cure, treat or prevent any disease and if you believe you have a medical problem, you should speak with a licensed medical practitioner as soon as possible.

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In this post: Transiting Saturn in the 2nd / 3rd houses.  Very brief.

mandala by Kirby, 2004, pastels

mandala by Kirby, 2004, pastels

My first two weeks of school behind me.  Wow is time sailing by..  It should be fine provided I do what they do in the Dharma Duplex (where I live) and practice.  The path to Carnegie Hall or enlightenment is similar I think.  Saturn (to slip some astrology into the koolaid) is about to move into my third house, which I can foresee really benefiting my drive to study and push academically.  To explain, Saturn the planet of testing, practicality, tangible results, setting boundaries and following through on commitments / personal promises is moving into my 3rd house, which is generally associated with more of the superficial mind, however with its 9th house reciprocal affect, it certainly has to do with education on all levels, as well as neighbors, relatives, siblings and communication.  So it is leaving my 2nd house behind and as a result, those issues are stronger and more stable now.  My financial challenges should be lightening up if I make the appropriate choices (informed by Saturn’s progress through the 2nd house). Hooray!

 

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