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Yesterday, as I drove home from a Dharma teaching in the Tidewater region (about 2.5 hours away from home), I had the good fortune to be questioned by a friend and Tibetan scholar about how does relationship astrology work? He grew up as a monk but gave up his robes and vows around the age of 23.

This is going to be a post in progress. So if you come back, you can read more over the next few days. 🙂

First off, what is relationship astrology? What in particular do you look at in the astrology chart?

Relationship astrology in general refers to looking at two people’s charts and comparing them, using the synastry between them and sometimes even creating a new chart of the relationship called the Composite Chart. With that said, first we will look at how we can see someone’s relationship needs from their own Natal Chart – their birth horoscope.

All of the planets, signs and houses in the astrology chart can play a role in relationship astrology, however Venus and Mars would be the best place to look first. Venus represents what we want (what do we desire?) in the simplest explanation, and Mars represents how we go about getting what we want.

This sounds very straight forward right? Well, astrology is a very complex topic. So it isn’t that simple. For instance, Venus’ sign can tell you a bit about how the person will like to love and be loved. It will tell you about their sensuality level, their passion or lack thereof, what kind of aesthetics they prefer, are they more romantic, do they like to take their time, how do they like to be wined and dined, etc. But here is the catch – so will the house position of Venus, so will the aspects to Venus, so will planets in the 2nd and 7th houses of the birth chart… Are you getting how intricate and interconnected astrology (in general and relationship astrology in particular) can be?

Likewise, Mars’ sign will tell you how assertive someone will be, how competitive, how driven, how direct, how aggressive, how passionate, how sensual, how romantic, how sexually driven, etc. And likewise so will the house placement, the aspects to Mars and planets in the 1st or 8th house.

Either of these planets aspecting Uranus, Neptune or Pluto will tack on an entire new level of dynamic twists and turns to either Mars or Venus. People have written entire books about each of these planets alone.. so I won’t go too deep here. Saturn or Jupiter in aspect to either relational planet will have different unique effects and persuasions.

Relationship astrology – why do some people yearn for a relationship really hard but never get one?

First of all, we are social creatures, so pretty much all people need social contact. Ideally we like to touch and be touched (consensual, comfortable, loving, appropriate touch), we want to be seen and heard and appreciated. But how much touching do we enjoy? Are we a Type A personality – driven, muscling through, a “no pain, no gain” type? Or are we more laid back? Are we more sensitive? And does that affect our romantic needs? (It often does!)

The first place to look is at the Natal Venus. The sign and house placement will tell you A LOT about the individual’s needs in relationships – and possibly if they even want one at all. By the way, it is rare for someone to be totally averse to any type of romantic relationship (see the last question below). Even if someone has less sexual hunger, we still get lonely and benefit from human contact!

Venus in the 2nd house will be different from Venus in the 5th and very different from the 12th house! So house position is quite important. The sign plays a major role, and alas, so do aspects to Venus.

The astrology chart is a reflection of our gross karma. So if someone has abused their power in relationships in the past (lives), then it is possible they will have poor relationship karma. But keep in mind that karma is not permanent – it can be transformed. If you have a spiritual practice, it can be transformed even faster. Negative karma can be worked off as it were.

Also we need to put the causes and conditions into place. If we are abrasive and angry, then we need to work on ourselves before we could possibly attract a harmonious relationship! And the conditions involve meeting people. There might be a great partner out there for us, but if we are too scared to go out, or to try GreenSingles or MeetMindful or other legit dating sites, then we might successfully avoid them for a while.

But the key is to work on yourself first. I told my mother back when I was 20 that I was going to work on improving myself so that down the road I could attract a good partner. That is how you can be prepared. If we don’t work on ourselves, then the “universe” (or really our inner need reflected in an outer person) will send someone who really triggers us around our blind spots.

To answer this question… be wary when you see the word “never.” You can be more prepared by working on yourself. Especially work to resource your inner developmental parts – this work is done via Birth Process Work (PPN Work), EMDR, Developmental Needs Meeting Strategy (DNMS), some Somatic Experiencing if the practitioner is really experienced and a few other modalities.

Why do we need to be aware of our developmental needs and unmet needs? Because this is what gets stirred up as soon as we get intimate with someone – we go straight back to our attachment style with our caretakers. This is true when we start having sex with someone and especially when we start living with someone. So do repair work for your little one. 🙂

Then you will have less unconscious stuff to be triggered by! And we will have much more psychic energy to put into creativity and joy!

To be continued in the next post!

Thank you for reading!



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To be clear regarding this topic, in psychological astrology we can talk about the “shadow of Gemini” or “Scorpio’s shadow.”  And if I were talking in that regard, I would be referring to the way in which those signs can work against ourselves – shadowy, unconscious material as it were.  In this case though, I am referring to an actual “thing.”  And yes, “thing” is a technical term.  🙂

When a planet goes retrograde, the point at which it seems to “pause” in the sky is known as its shadow.  For instance, (because we are talking about this planet) Venus went retrograde back in December at 29 degrees of Capricorn.  That is the furthest forward it had gotten before turning retrograde.  Following me so far?  So Venus’ shadow is presently at 29 degrees of Capricorn, considering as I write this, Venus is completing its retrograde cycle at 13 degrees Capricorn.

Here is the thing which any non-astrologer (and probably some astrologers may not either) does not know.  When Venus (or any planet for that matter) goes direct, the shadow will still be “in effect” for a short period of time thereafter.  This is why one of my astrology teachers used to preach that the retrograde cycle lasts at least two weeks after the planet starts moving forward (and I’m beginning to think he knew what he was talking about!)   🙂

So when does the shadow stop being in effect?  When the planet crosses its shadow.  So for Venus, it will officially be out of retrograde (meaning it is stationing direct and moving forward for the next 18 months or so) after January 31st.  But on that day, it will be at 13 degrees of Capricorn.  It will still have four plus weeks before it will cross its shadow.  Meaning, and I will say more, if 29 degrees of Capricorn is significant in your chart (and you would know this fact already because Venus stationed retrograde at that point, and that shadow point has been in effect since December 20th, 2013), that you may not be completely in the clear until February 28th or so.  Sorry if I’m bursting any bubbles…

If you want to know the exact day, Venus will not cross 29 degrees of Capricorn until March 5th.  So that is a good long time to slowly start to creep forward and finally it will start moving at a decent clip in the middle of February, and it will cross its shadow officially ending this retrograde cycle for 2014 (for Venus).

Here are some examples, just to be more clear.  Let us say that you have Mars at 29 degrees of Libra in your Natal Chart.  Normally, when Venus is moving at its usual, quick pace, Venus would transit your Natal Mars in two or three days tops.  It would be at 27 degrees of a Cardinal sign one day, at 29 degrees the next and then it would be moving on into the next Fixed sign.  And you would feel the reflected emotional intensity for only two to threes (normally!).  But here, the retrograde cycle would draw that out for at least six weeks, and maybe longer.

Continuing where I left off, that means that around December 20th of this past year, Venus paused at the point squaring your Mars (29 Capricorn) for a solid two to three weeks due to the retrograde process.  So you may have had a hot and steamy holidays there (or you may have wished you had someone to have a hot and steamy celebration with when those two planets meet up!).  AND…  due to Venus’ shadow sitting at the square point to your Mars, guess what?  There would be a subtle hint of that intense attraction and magnetic sexual energy off and on over the past month or so – even when Venus itself backed up away from the square point.  Does that make sense?  I hope so.  Venus and Mars, when a square happens, can be touchy bedfellows – generally speaking when Venus transits Natal Mars, it is easier, but sometimes arguments and emotionality can arise.  There will be some heightened erotic energy, but at times it can be a little juvenile – meaning, “I want what I want damn it and why can’t I have that!!!”  So hopefully if this is happening to you, you and your partner will be on similar pages and then you can have a healthy outlet for this energy!

Basically what I am trying to say is this: look at your Natal Chart.  Do you have any planets in the 27 – 30 degree mark of Cardinal signs AND / OR do you have any planets in the 1 – 3 degree point of Fixed signs?  Cardinals are Aries, Libra, Cancer, Capricorn and Fixed signs are Scorpio, Taurus, Leo and Aquarius.  These planets would all be affected by Venus’ shadow sitting at its present location, AND that might explain the up and down Venusian energy you have been feeling over the past month despite the fact that you don’t actually see much happening in your chart.  That’s because the shadow in a inferred point (there is no shadow in the sky where the planet went retrograde)   🙂

Now this same thing is true for any other planet.  If you have Neptune at 29 degrees of Aries, then lookout – you have probably had rose-colored glasses on for the past few weeks  🙂   And there could be a disillusionment heading your way!  If you have Uranus at 29 degrees of Cancer, this could also throw a fun, exciting, but not-long-lasting wrench in the relationship works especially if  you are starting a new relationship since December 10th or more recently (because then you’d have Venus in opposition to Uranus influencing your desires for six to eight weeks).  And the same is also true for Jupiter at 29 degrees of a Cardinal sign, Pluto and Saturn.  And yes, I did just throw Jupiter in that mix.

Even the great Benefic Jupiter can bring difficulty (imagine too much abundance, too much indulgence and / or too much hedonism – then you are getting close to what might be arising here).  You will definitely enjoy the time with Venus in continuous or shadowy aspect to Jupiter for eight weeks, but afterward you might say to yourself, “Well shucks, that was fun, but I may have wasted some time there…”   🙂

So good luck deciphering this and hopefully it brings a touch more clarity to the subject of Venus retrograde.  I have been noticing it myself as I have a planet at 29 degrees of a Cardinal sign.  So I stand behind these words.  I would love to hear your comments.  And thank you for reading.

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Do you ever have a day where you just feel like balling up in a dim corner somewhere? Preferably a cave or a safe, blanketed section of your bed?

If and when this happens, what are some options? Well, we can submit to those desires for solitude (read isolation) and inner stewing, and continue to lay in a potentially miserable heap. Or… we can move our body, stretching, doing yoga, walking, biking, etc, that may help to move the stagnant energy and pump some warm juice into those frozen tissues. Also, we can speak with a trusted friend, a spiritual friend, someone who is compassionate enough to tell us where we are going wrong in our mental attitudes, if applicable.

Just to be clear, it would be good to check in with your system. Why exactly might you be feeling this sluggishness? Did we have two drinks too many last night? Are we getting sick? Or are we living in alignment with right livelihood, doing our best to work through our psycho-spiritual stuff, and now we have just chipped off a big chunk which may take some time to dissolve and integrate? Therefore, once we determine why we are feeling “blah…” Then we can proceed appropriately. And if it would be good to take some action, what might be best? Above I mentioned we can cover up and hide, or… we can do some yoga, or… we could check in with a valued friend or coach…

Better yet, we can go for a walk with that spiritual friend! What do you think? Then, as you both move your bodies, you can chat about how you are feeling, knowing that it is (hopefully!) safe to tell them anything and that they will give you that compassionate answer that you desperately need. But if they are someone who will hold back and support your mental patterns no matter what you say, then don’t expect wisdom or penetration through your muddled resistance. They must be someone who is strong enough and confident enough to tell you like it is. Then you will have the chance to decide whether what they say is true for you or not (sometimes we don’t want to hear a direct truth!).

This is why I think it is so vital to have someone, or preferably, multiple someones who are spiritual friends. In Eastern jargon, you could call these people “Gurus,” although I hesitate to use that term. This is because an authentic Guru has done ALL his or her personal growth work, they have dissolved the gross layers of their ego and they have stabilized spiritual realization, such that they can consistently be of benefit to you and many people (or they will know their limits and stick within their bounds in skillful, colorful, modest ways).

So, if you find yourself in a personal pickle, know that everything changes. Yes, even this too shall pass. And, if possible, work with someone, here in the West it could be a therapist, a coach, a counselor, a professional advisor, etc, or it could even be a spiritual friend or spiritual teacher (although you should investigate this last category very very thoroughly!), work with someone who can truly be of benefit to you.

We have many blind spots. Even if we are lucky enough to have the awareness of the majority of our inner foibles, our ego may still be strong enough to throw up the occasional smoke screens, meaning, don’t trust your perception entirely – find a wise spiritual friend or mentor and get a second and third opinion. Especially if you find yourself with an inner conflict or confusion or depression. Identify your red flags. Have tried and true techniques and tools available to counter (tools for self-care) those red-flag-raising tendencies. And then structure your life so you are not constantly tempted or urged back into harmful habits (no use confronting the branches of the problem if the problem’s roots and trunk are sturdy and strong!). And most importantly, be gentle, be kind, it takes time, and above all, know that difficulty comes and goes, joy comes and goes, resistance comes and goes, friends come and go. Try to find a balance and rest there, in the middle, in alignment.

And know that this advice is not easy to follow. That is why you should investigate carefully anyone who is dispensing such advice. Yes, that would even include this oft-confused-ordinary-human-being author. Do these words make sense to you? Does anything touch an oochy place in your heart? Sometimes discomfort is a sign that something needs to be worked on. And if so, do you want to do that psycho-spiritual work, knowing it ain’t easy and it ain’t always comfortable! But above all, it will be okay. This stuff takes time. Coming into a comfortable alignment, in your body takes years, decades even. So kindness and a slow pace and lowered (read realistic) expectations are necessary.

And of course, perhaps you saw this coming, the author, Kirby Moore, when he is not talking about himself in the third person, is able to offer such advice, as he offers Spiritual Astrology Interpretations and Coaching within his private practice. If you are willing to lean into support, call him at (434) 465.0603 to schedule an appointment. You can also reach him at kirby [at]

By the way, Kirby is starting a website which you can access at At present, it is still being developed so pardon the one or two unfinished pages. But you can see what he offers, rates and you can purchase coaching / astrology sessions with him from there.

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In this post, I will elaborate on whether or not Transits in aspect to Progressed Planets are really that significant. This post assumes the reader has basic to intermediate understanding of Western astrology.

What is a transiting planet? Transits consist of the current location of the planets (in our solar system) and then to see if they reflect changes / energetic shifts in an individual, we compare the Transit location of the planets to that individual’s Natal planets.

What is a progressed planet? According to “Parkers’ Astrology” by Julia and Derek Parker, progressing the chart allows astrologers to see trends in the life of that individual. To see which trends will be active at what time, we generally use what are known as secondary progressions, which basically take a day (after the birth date) for a year. What this means is that to look at the trends in the life of someone when they are between 5 and 6 years old, we would look at the 5th day after their birth day. If you try to think about this too hard, it is a bit mind boggling. How could this seemingly arbitrary system work so well? Some things might be worth accepting. Or, if you know a lot about astrology and progressed charts, please leave a comment. I suspect I might hear someone mention harmonics, indicating that amplifying a day gives us a year. But anyway, back to the subject at hand.

So basically, a progressed planet is not a “real” body in the sky. Unlike the Natal chart, which shows the real positions of the planets at birth (and their aspects among / with each other). Transiting planets are real, just in the present moment.

When Transiting planets make close hard aspects to Natal planets, generally that is a reflection of inner changes or “Ah ha!!” moments or moaning and groaning, etc. So we know Transits are significant when compared to Natal planets.

When Progressed planets are compared and contrasted with the Natal chart, the influences are generally more subtle, but they are still very noticeable. The Progressed Moon for instance, moves about one degree per month, so we can see its influence rising for about a month, being very strong for the middle month and then fading for another month. And the Progressed Moon is basically where our heart is in that particular month (kinda important I’d say). As an example, when the Progressed Moon enters the 6th house (hard work, discipline, organization, service, detail-orientation), generally, if we need to get to work with regard to improving our lot in life, this is where we do it. The 6th house is preparation for the 7th house, of intimate relationships, marriage and compromise. Hence, if we need to improve our income, or house, or job, the 6th house Progressed Moon will indicate a good time to get to work doing so!

But, I’m not convinced that Transiting planets make an enormous difference when they aspect merely a Progressed Planet. What I am trying to say, is that there are numerous aspects and layers of Western astrological interpretation which merit more time and dedication with regard to significant insights being learned. For instance, I would say this is one overly simplified list of Timing Systems to look at, listed in order of significance: Transits, Secondary Progressions, Solar Arc Directions, Transits to Mid Points, the Solar Return, Tertiary Progressions, then I might mention Transits to Progressed planets.

One thing we should look at however is when these above mentioned Timing systems stack. What I mean is when multiple planets from differing systems aspect the same Natal planet or planetary dynamic. For instance, if we have Mars opposite Pluto in our Natal Chart (or any other powerful, potentially challenging Natal aspect), then it is worth paying close attention to this. If we have Transiting Mars conjunct our Natal Mars, plus our Progressed Sun squaring this opposition (T-Square formed), plus the Solar Arc Saturn conjunct Pluto? Then that is a powerful stacking of energy going on. It would be worth speaking with a qualified astrologer at this point because you should strongly consider all the house placements, the house rulers and any other Timing aspects that are happening at the same time.

Not to put the fear of the Lord in anyone… if ever we see a potentially “frightening” (to use an antiquated term) series of aspects lining up. Take a deep breath. There are always guardian angels at work – what I mean is that if we have the above configuration happening, but if Progressed Venus is conjunct our Sun, or if Progressed Sun is conjunct Jupiter (or Venus) or if Transiting Jupiter is making a pleasant aspect to the Sun, or chart ruler; then we might pass through that potentially explosive stacking of aspects with just a little bit of added stress. This is because the benefics work for us and they must be considered before allowing any worry to arise. 🙂

So take a deep breath. Know it is going to be okay. And then, if you can look at your chart and its dynamic shifting without grasping or gripping, then do so. But if your tendency is to grip and cling to fatalistic information, then be careful who you talk to and which web sites you use. Find a qualified astrologer who practices frequency-based, choice-centered astrology! And make sure they walk their talk.

Okay… I’ve been on my soap box for way too long now. Thanks for reading as I step down off of it.

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This post is a continuation of a previous article posted by the same title. Just scroll down or look in the Spiritual Astrology category on the right to find it.

Also, when I mention that an endocrine system is stressed, I am referring to the subtle energy. This could be the chi, the jing, (to use Chinese medicine terms) or it could be elemental energy that is out of balance. But either way, I believe our bodies are fairly resolute and fortified, so despite being stressed or depleted, we can continue to function fairly well in our lives. But if we know and recognize signs of stress, then it might be a good time to practice self-care.

Now to continue this thread. What transits and progressions can indicate a challenged kidney and adrenal (endocrine gland on the kidneys – responsible for adrenaline and other “fight or flight or freeze,” stress-response chemicals)?

First, what planets are in Libra or Aries? Is there any Natal pattern of sensitized kidneys? Saturn conjunct any personal planet (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus or Mars) in Libra / Aries would say yes. Perhaps Pluto and Uranus as well. Simply having a single planet in Aries or Libra may not indicate much in the Natal chart, but if there is ever a time of heightened transit activity to that planet, then it might be good to watch for over-working and exhaustion.

Second, do Mars and Saturn make a challenging aspect in the Natal chart? If so, this could indicate sensitive adrenals. Then, if this is the case, whenever this aspect is transited or contacted by a progressed planet (or Ascendant / Midheaven), it could reflect a time of heightened stress in one’s life.

Finally, what aspects do Mercury and Uranus make? Are they pleasant or trying? This will show how the nervous system of the individual is geared naturally. Do they react in fear (aspect to Saturn perhaps)? Do they have faith in life (Mercury in Gemini making positive aspects or Uranus in Aquarius / Scorpio making positive aspects or positive Jupiter aspects)? You’d need to take the house placements into account for this as well. This can also give a fascinating glimpse into how a person deals with stress.

Now to show some examples. And actually, if you don’t mind, I will use some examples from my Natal Chart, as I started out the initial post by saying that my system is taxed, strained, exhausted beyond description. I am feeling like resting down for a month solid, and maybe that would be enough to convalesce.

Here’s my personal recipe for a stressed adrenal system:
Tr. Venus conjunct Mercury in Aries
Tr. Pluto square Mercury in Aries
Pr. Mars conjunct Mercury in Aries
Pr. Asc opposite Mars (which is opposite Saturn in my Natal Chart)
Pr. MC square Saturn (and soon to square Mars)

So my Mercury is a singleton in Aries, barely aspecting anything else (which may makes its manifestations more eccentric and unusual). The important thing for this example is that it is in Aries (the reciprocal of Libra). And look at all those intense Mercury hits – only the Tr. Venus passed over it quickly, moving on to later degrees of Aries with a rapid pace. Tr. Pluto will be squaring Mercury for at least a couple years (off and on in terms of its strength). And then Pr. Mars will be sitting on Mercury for a solid three years (!!!) – ooph! Remember, Mars in conjunction with Mercury leads to driving swiftly (think Aries), and driving fast leads to stressing the kidneys and adrenals as well. So now is a good time to purposely drive slower and more mindfully.

Then I have in my Natal Chart, Saturn in Virgo opposite Mars in Pisces, which is presently getting activated by the two Progressed Angles of the Ascendant and the Midheaven. So having Saturn opposite Mars in a chart can mean different things on various levels – personality effects, health implications, psychological issues which need to be cleaned up etc. And of course the house placement and other aspects to this opposition need to be looked at. But, if nothing else, we can easily assume that Mars opposite Saturn will have some kind of effect on the individual’s ability to handle stress.

As I mentioned earlier, having Mars and Saturn in a hard (challenging) aspect, which includes the opposition, indicates a pattern of easily stressed adrenals. Think about this in a very basic way: Mars is the gas (pedal or throttle) and Saturn is the brakes (limitation and restriction). What happens when we hit the gas and the brake at the same time? The vehicle gets very confused, upset even! Likewise, Mars and Saturn are not the best bed fellows.

So, even after doing years of personal growth work (therapeutic) as well as somatic processing work (bringing the therapy into the body), there could still be an old pattern of stress that could be re-triggered if given the right conditions. And sure enough – when we are stressed at work (for someone else), and if we are trying to juggle a new relationship, if we are simultaneously processing health issues and attempting to keep a part-time self-employed job going… Well you get the drift!

Isn’t it incredible how insidious stress can be? We don’t notice all the little things stacking up until we are saddled with many little responsibilities. Then the body will start to show signs of being exhausted. In my next post in this series, I will review (some of these things I have already mentioned) some techniques, activities and supplements I take to rest down and calm down.

Thank you kindly for reading.

*** Remember, Kirby Moore is not a licensed medical professional. He does not claim to be one and as a result he does not claim to be an expert on any of the above material (take it all with a grain of salt please). This is presented for educational or entertainment purposes only. If you have a medical problem, consult a licensed health care practitioner as soon as possible.

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Please recall, that as I delve into the deeper health aspects, I cannot stress enough, that this information is purely for educational or entertainment purposes and that all individuals should consult with a licensed medical practitioner before making any changes to their diet, lifestyle or medicine intake. The author does not claim to treat, cure, diagnose or prevent any disease or illness.

Are you still with me? Excellent! If you are starting here, then I would suggest going back to the post entitled, “Medical Astrology 2011,” and read up from there. This is the fifth post in this series so go back and get context to grok this stuff!

I’m going to skip the review portion of this post, to allow for more fresh material, so I hope you are ready for a deeper plunge. Here we have Saturn in the 2nd house and Mars in the 8th, which as I mentioned previously can be associated with Taurus and Scorpio respectively.

So what does Saturn in Taurus bring us? See the previous post to see how the 2nd house and Taurus are correlated and that is how we got from Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd house to looking at Saturn in Taurus. And what does this mean from a health perspective? We need to keep in mind that there are subtle differences between interpreting Saturn in the 2nd and Saturn in Taurus, but again, for the sake of brevity, we are just diving into Saturn in Taurus from the health perspective: this can bring extra congestion in the throat (sore throats which I believe actually derive from a congested colon – there is a reciprocal relationship between opposite signs and here Taurus, throat, reflects Scorpio and its association with the colon), other throat or voice issues and hypothyroidism. So just to be clear, I believe that if we suffer from sore throats, it is a good idea to check the colon – are we constipated? Have we ingested many congestion-producing foods? Are we expressing ourselves or are we emotionally constipated? Etc.

Alright, and now for Mars in Scorpio. And again, just to be clear, this is the over-simplified version of Mars in the 8th house. In actuality, there are differences between Mars in the 8th and Mars in Scorpio, but for brevity’s sake, we are sticking with this: Mars in Scorpio can indicate any issues (inflammation, overexertion, or dysfunction) of any of the reproductive organs and glands, both male and female, it can indicate colon problems, it might represent a weakness for venereal diseases, it can indicate in rare cases hernias, and sometimes Scorpio issues can reflect (see the Taurus paragraph above) in issues involving the throat. So this is basically most of Scorpio’s areas of rulership being over-worked (Mars), taxed, stressed or of being in a weakened state due to other psycho-spiritual causes.

So pretty soon we are going to be able to put all this information together from the past five posts. We have touched on the personality dynamics, psycho-spiritual, and emotional correlates of Mars in Pisces in the 8th house opposite Saturn in Virgo in the 2nd, and we have begun to look into the physical manifestation of these energies. So in future posts, be on the lookout for how we bring all this information together.

And because I have a little more space in this post, I will touch on measuring the precision of Medical Astrology. This may involve me getting on my soapbox as I have some strong opinions about this subject. As I mentioned in the first post in this series, Medical Astrology can easily be faulted for being inaccurate (yet another reason not to go out and read Astrological-recipe books!!! Because you might be scared away from true exploration and learning). As we can see from this one aspect between Mars and Saturn, there are hundreds of possible results or combinations of physical manifestation of these energies. And to be more precise in my languaging – we should actually say that the Astrology Chart reflects the actual situation and not the other way around. Astrology does not cause anything! You cannot say, “Oh I have Saturn opposite Mars, so that causes blank.” Not good! Rather, I have blank happening in my body for any number of actual, empirically-provable reasons, and the Astrology Chart reflects that situation. Back to the opening topic, Medical Astrology can become more precise when we look at the whole Natal Chart. And then, when we bring in information from the client’s inherited health history, or environmental factors, and of course we gain even more information from the Timing Astrology.

If we see certain possible predispositions in someone’s Natal Chart, then when certain Transits or Progressions occur, we will have a sense of what might be manifesting in that person’s body. For instance, if someone does NOT have any predispositions for lung problems in their Natal Chart, and they take pretty good care of themselves, then, even if a challenging possible-lung-problem-representing Transit comes along, there will not be a lung issue. Does that make sense? What I am trying to say is that the body and its health is an incredibly complicated subject. So to try to narrow it down to saying, “Oh, you eat beets, so that means you will have eye problems,” is simply absurd. Just like trying to narrow Medical Astrology down to one or two aspects and then say how inaccurate a modality it is, similarly is absurd. Before we can truly judge the efficacy of something, we must be authentically open-minded to the possibility of it working. So give Medical Astrology a chance, and please, use its information to supplement what your licensed medical professionals tell you (yes, go see your doctor if you need to!).

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

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Wow! So if you have read this far, there is a lot to take in. So good luck! 🙂 And if you are starting here, then I would suggest going back to the post entitled, “Medical Astrology 2011,” and read up from there. This is the fourth post in this series so you need some of the previous information as context to understand this post.

Up to this point we have covered, at least briefly, the aspect of Mars in opposition to Saturn: both in the personality and in physical manifestation, we have looked at Saturn in the 2nd house and Mars in the 8th, and we have looked at Saturn in Virgo and Mars in Pisces from a personality (more overview) perspective. Now let us bring the Medical Astrology perspective into play regarding the 2nd, 8th houses and Virgo / Pisces.

When we talk astrological houses, especially from a Medical perspective, basically we can correlate the houses with their respective signs (12 houses – 12 signs of the zodiac). At the 1st house we start with Aries, 2nd house is Taurus, etc around to Scorpio in the 8th house and ending with the 12th house and Pisces. This is going to keep things simpler for this example. We could go further in depth, but I’d rather speak about this in person to ensure comprehension. So when we talk about Saturn being in Virgo in the 2nd house, we can also add the influence of Taurus (2nd house) into the mix. Then when we look at Mars in the 8th house in Pisces, we actually add a Scorpio (8th house) twist to the interpretation.

Basically we have Saturn in Virgo with a touch of Saturn in Taurus flavoring things, and Mars in Pisces with a bit of Mars in Scorpio. This is another way to look at the above configuration. What does Saturn in Virgo mean from a medical perspective?
Virgo is connected with the intestines, the lower digestion in general (Virgo has to do with analyzing, assimilation and excretion both on a psychological level and physically), Virgo is partially associated with the pancreas and the processing of sugar (see below), the solar plexus and the nervous system (Mercury’s influence shows up here).

So what does the planet of contraction and limitation (Saturn) manifest in these areas? These are simply possibilities – I doubt anyone would experience all of these symptoms / issues in the same lifetime. Constipation when stressed or worried, alternating with possible loose stools – too much analysis / assimilation vs. too much excretion. Saturn in Virgo can also indicate issues with processing sugar (hypoglycemia or pre-diabetic conditions), it might indicate gall stone problems when heavily transited, and with Virgo being more of a dry, analytical sign, Saturn here can indicate eventual arthritis as someone’s emotional body literally crystallizes due to lack of fluidity and use. Too much guilt and / or shame, especially if we are raised in a strictly religious setting, can eventually go into the body and manifest in various ways. (Virgo in my experience tends to be the strongest sign for sacrificing for others in a physical, material manner – see masochism.) Another possible manifestation of Saturn in Virgo, being transited by a challenging aspect is injuries to the solar plexus muscles. At best, Saturn in Virgo can indicate an obsession with mentally chewing on difficult problems (Virgo is the problem solver remember), which can lead to worry and excess nervous energy. This is one reason people with a plethora of Virgo (Mercury energy) in their charts might benefit from crafts involving the hands and minute details / patterns like knitting, sewing, crochet or weaving.

Keep in mind that the solar plexus are the front of the body, and what is behind them? The kidneys and lower back. Therefore, in rare cases Saturn afflictions in the (front of the body) Virgo areas can reflect and show up in lower back issues. And in extremely rare cases, Saturn challenged in Virgo (by other natal aspects) can indicate some issues with the tubes of the kidneys themselves.

Both Virgo and Pisces are the sensitive signs of the zodiac, so this (Saturn / Mars in these signs) will indicate an additional sensitivity to any type of drugs including prescription, over-the-counter and recreational, and alcohol. This is pretty much guaranteed. Now what determines how that sensitivity plays out is the person’s consciousness again. I know I keep harping back to that, but it is vital when interpreting a chart to determine where someone is on many different levels. And actually, if someone has a lot of Virgo, Pisces, 6th or 12th house planets / energy in their chart, then they may also be extra sensitized to herbal medicine (subtle), flower essences and homeopathic remedies (very subtle). So be aware of that. And I would never advocate this myself, especially not before speaking with a licensed health practitioner, but some medical astrology books advocate Piscean / Virgo types to take half or less of the recommended dose of prescription drugs (especially pain medication, anti-biotics and sleep aids).

What does Mars in Pisces represent from a Medical perspective?
In addition to what I have already mentioned involving the sensitization of the individual with this placement, Mars in Pisces individuals may have less energy overall. I plan to elaborate on this further in another post, but their metabolism may be slowed down. Remember though that other Natal Chart influences can counter this (a lot of planets / the Ascendant in fiery signs, Mars being conjunct the Midheaven, etc). With this in mind, heavy exercise is usually not best for these types, rather swimming, dance or something creative / rhythmical would be ideal. With this placing, the individual needs to learn to discipline themselves with regard to their energy regulation. Otherwise Mars in Pisces can be slightly lethargic and / or appear lazy to others. A little bit of daily movement and exercise is required to avoid this, especially if there are very few planets in fire signs or making positive aspects to Mars. Pisces has always been associated with the feet (Pisces – understanding) so Mars here could indicate injuries to the feet or foot problems. If nothing else, a need to keep the feet warm and clean as there might be a predisposition toward infection, fungus, plantar warts, etc. Finally this placing may indicate an allergy to shellfish (Neptune’s influence with Pisces).

This post is getting a bit long, so I will not mention much about Pisces is associated with thalamus and the pineal gland, so in extremely rare cases, an afflicted Mars in Pisces can indicate issues with either of these cerebral structures. In the following post I will continue this thread by looking at the Medical Astrology ramifications of Saturn in the 2nd house (Taurus assoc.) and Mars in the 8th house (Scorpio assoc.).

Kirby Moore has been studying Western Astrology since 2003, having studied under several Western Astrologers with backgrounds in Karmic Astrology, Evolutionary Astrology and Hellenistic Astrology. He sees clients professionally for Spiritual Astrology interpretations both in person and over the phone. His private practice also includes Craniosacral bodywork and healing facilitation through healing touch. To schedule an appointment, you can reach Kirby at the following number in the U.S.: four three four, four six five, zero six zero three. Thank you for reading.

*This material is purely for educational purposes only. The author of this post does not claim to diagnose, cure, treat or prevent any disease and if you believe you have a medical problem, you should speak with a licensed medical practitioner as soon as possible.

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